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Behind the Dreamers
We are talking to the achievers, the creators, the magic makers, and the dreamers. These are our friends. These are your friends. And they are living the extraordinary.
Behind the Dreamers
The Power of Coaching, Therapy, and Travel in Business Success
Have you ever wondered what it takes to become a successful entrepreneur? Join us as we welcome Roderick Leonard, a vibrant speaker, business coach, and author, as he unveils his transformative journey from the corporate world to entrepreneurship. Roderick, the genius behind multiple multi-million dollar companies, shares his experience of ditching a life-changing back surgery for alternative health management. With him, we look into how coaching and therapy play a pivotal role in self-improvement and business success.
Our conversation takes an exciting turn when we mention a previous guest, Mo Salami, a former Tony Robbins employee, who beautifully illustrates the power of books in reshaping destinies. Inspired by a book by Jack Canfield, Mo rerouted his life path and emerged victorious. We navigate through the realities of being among the 2% of the population who master success in finance, health, and relationships, while grappling with the inherent challenges of maintaining this success.
Travel often broadens the mind, and Rodric validates this with his fascinating travel tales. As he recounts his experiences, we delve into the world of travel and its transformative influence on personal growth and perception. Roderick paints a compelling picture of his global explorations, emphasizing the significance of learning from others. This episode serves as a reminder of humanity's shared essence, the power of empathy, and the beauty of diversity. So, buckle up and get ready for an enlightening journey through entrepreneurship, personal growth, and the enchanting world of travel.
These are our friends. These are your friends. AND they are living the extraordinary.
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Welcome to another episode of Behind the Dreamers. I'm Jennifer Loading and we are talking to the achievers, the creators, the magic makers and the dreamers. These are our friends, these are your friends and they are living the extraordinary Well. I am so excited about my guest today. This is going to be so much fun. He says that he was born I love this a lifelong entrepreneur and started his business journey at a young age with a fruit stand in his mother's front yard. I have a story with that too. Over the last 30 years, he has expanded his ventures to create multiple multi-million dollar companies in both product and service industry. So you guys are going to get to hear from him in just a few minutes, but before I do that, I need to do a quick shout out to our sponsor.
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Rodric:Yeah, thanks for having me, Jen, this is great.
Jennifer:This can be so fun, so real quick before I get going. I was when I was looking at your fruit stand thing. It's a funny story because I don't know how old you are, but I feel like we're kind of probably close. But I was telling somebody one day that I was kind of an entrepreneur as a child too, so I would make crafts. But one of the big things I did is I mowed yards Seriously, like in our neighborhood. I had friends we would knock on doors and we would mow people's yards to make money, and then we had all these other things we were doing. So we were always hustling and trying to figure out how we were going to have some kind of cash flow in our pocket. So I think it's sometimes it's kind of just. Some of us are just kind of born doing that stuff. You know what I mean.
Rodric:Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, I made a deal with my mom to take the. They planted this huge garden. I grew up in a little town in Michigan and they planted this huge garden every year and I said can I go pick the vegetables and I'll put them out by the side of the road see if anybody stops? And I couldn't have been nine, 10 years old, so I'd do that. I'd go down. There's a golf course at the end of the street. I'd get golf balls, sell them back to the golfers and just realize they're really young age Like you can just go make it on your own.
Rodric:I'm buying pizzas, I'm buying my own Nintendo and buying a bike. It's like I don't need to wait for anybody to give you anything. So you learn those lessons young to carry over.
Jennifer:That's right. It's like once you start figuring out how to make money, you're like I'm on it, I'm going, I'm going to keep moving until I figure it all out. Right, I love it. So I want to open this up a little bit because I think you're doing awesome stuff, and so I just want to talk a little bit about tell us what you're doing, cause we have some similar things, but I'd love to know a little bit about what you're doing to make a difference with your clients and helping them. I guess you know change directions makes it make this transformation.
Rodric:Yeah. So the book comes out September 12th. It's called Million Dollar Flip Flops Peace, prosperity and the Courage to Change Course in Life and Business. And I give you some really quick background. I was entrepreneur, entrepreneur, entrepreneur and I did this really brief stint in corporate America and it wasn't even that bad. I was selling new homes for a Fortune 100 home builder, but I was 24. I was making more money in a month than my parents made in a year and I could buy and do and go and anything I wanted.
Rodric:And I absolutely hated my life and I had this really debilitating back pain and I was a coach in baseball. I was still playing in adult sports leagues, but it was. It was literally ruining my life and I found myself on an operating table about to get my back fused at 24 years old, when I'm otherwise healthy by every other metric and whatever God, universe, whatever you want to call it. I stopped the surgery and I said there's got to be another way and that's a really long story of its own right. But I basically dove into all the books.
Rodric:I've always been a student of life, you know, and you know I couldn't fix myself because I was in my own body, right and that's the beauty of coaching and all the things. You really need an outside perspective and I got a coach, I got a therapist and I dove into all the books that I, that I had loved for so many years and dug myself out of that hall, started a new business, quit the corporate job and literally never looked back, and multiple businesses later fast forward to, I guess about 16 months ago now. I've scaled and exited my last business. So as semi retired at 42, I went to and I started with nothing, started with $0, went to a million, lost it all, went back to a million Been there done that right.
Rodric:And when I was in the process of selling the business, I signed up with Brown University and got my ICF as a professional coach and had envisioned that just being a. I'd always been kind of a mentor to other entrepreneurs because they see you traveling, they see you own a business. They say, how do you do it? Right, because that's not most people's path and I just thought it'd be a part time gig and I'm very much a whatever door is open, I'm going to walk through it. I'm, you know, with a big enough why. Anyhow is possible. I've believed that forever.
Rodric:I believe that now and I said, well, what do I want to do with part two of my life and I had a why, but I had absolutely no expectation of what that would look like, so ended up writing the book, ended up coming to contact with a bunch of amazing people and there's so much happening now and one of the neatest things is we're starting a foundation at the same time as we're launching million-dollar flip-flops A million-dollar flip-flops. The flip-flop in that has changed right. And if you had asked me what my superpower was for the last 20 years, why I've been successful, it's my ability to pivot and make a 180, and know that that change is going to be right and that it's on purpose. And that's what we do in the book. And I think that most entrepreneurs in particular, they're not afraid of change. They're afraid of making a mistake and what that will cost them.
Rodric:So what we do in the book, it's called the Waves method and it starts with your why, deep, passionate, why, why do you get up every day? Authenticity, and that's a big piece that a lot of people miss. Why are you doing this? It's not for your spouse, it's not for your business partner, it's not for your friends. People do things for other people. They don't realize and we dive into your values. That's the V in Waves, core values and really deep dive on that, where we spend several weeks going through those because, again, a lot of people will have values that they think I want to hear or they think their friends want to hear, but it's not what's really important to them, right? And then the ease exploration you go out into the world with these things we've just developed and thought about and you tweak them as you go and then you build a statement of purpose and I don't know about you, but I've had a personal mission statement for as long as I can remember like who do I want to be in this world? But I'd say 2 to 3% of the people that come into my sphere have a personal mission statement, but all of their businesses have mission statements. Why is that? So? It's a really important piece that we're just not taught to think about.
Rodric:So that's what we do, that's what the book's about, that's what the course is about. Everything we do is giving people I call it a decision filter. So you have a decision you need to make, you do a visioning exercise of what that's going to look like and you run it through this why values and statement of purpose? And if it doesn't fit like a glove, it's a no. If it's a yes, you've done the work ahead of time to know that it's right and that it's on purpose. But ultimately, everything we do in the business, we donate to the foundation to send a student leader abroad and we've got a goal to send a million kids abroad in my lifetime and that is a whole other story, that inspired my love for travel and all the other things, and I could go on for hours.
Jennifer:Yeah, I get it Well and I think it's interesting it's listening to your story, because I looked over some of the stuff and I obviously didn't know everything. I didn't know about the impending back surgery and all that stuff. But I think a lot of us that have these crazy stories like this. It's like we have that defining moment where something happens, like we realize you mentioned very early on the money. You're making all this money and you realize you weren't really happy, and I talk about this in a lot of the work that I do and all of this stuff that you're talking about. I get it, I resonate.
Jennifer:It's because it's stuff I share as well that so many people back this up, they come out and they live these lives, that they think that they need to live right and they think this is a way to go.
Jennifer:And then they realize they have had the success so-called business success but then they wake up one day and they're like man, I'm just not really is this life, I'm not fulfilled, right, and most of the time it's like what you're talking about it's not really in alignment with their values, it's not really what they want to be doing or there's something that's not right there.
Jennifer:And I had a young guy come on my show oh my gosh, he was really young I think he was born when I graduated from high school but really amazing guy and his was a similar story. He was making all this money and he had a great girlfriend, great life, and he was just oh miserable and he let it all go, you know, and so you hear this happen a lot, and so I think that there is something in that, and when you talk about these values, it's a big thing that I talk about if you're not in alignment with them, because they figure out what they are for their work, but they don't know what they are for their personal life, right, and so they're doing jobs, they're doing engaging in things that don't really go with what they should or want to be doing.
Rodric:Yeah, are you familiar with the book the Death of Ivan Ilych? It's a toll story.
Jennifer:I haven't read that one. I need to read that one. It sounds like.
Rodric:It's a super short book and I'll spoiler alert. At the end of the book the main character is named Ivan and he looks up at his wife and he's on his deathbed and he says what if my whole life was wrong? I can't think of a more terrifying scenario than that. You know and I read that, but I was probably 17 or 18 years old when I read that book and those are the kind of things that came to mind while I was laying on that table.
Jennifer:I'm like this is wrong, my life is wrong right now and I've got to figure out why.
Jennifer:Yeah, there was a guy that I interviewed last week by the name of Mo Salami, a really neat guy. He worked for Tony Robbins. He's done, he has studied every Tony Robbins program, same thing. He had like three degrees, was making great money. And one day he goes in his bookstore, finds his Jack Canfield book, reads it and realizes I need to be doing something different. So he orders all the books in the back of the Jack Canfield, all the recommended books, and reads through all of them.
Jennifer:Anyways, he came on the show and we were talking about this whole 2% thing. Like you know, 90, something percent of the population never really lives a life of fulfillment, right, like they never get to that place and exactly what you talk about. They get to the end and they go. When you ask them if they've lived this fulfilled life, they're like no, I should have done this, I should have done that, you know. And so I kind of have this little running thing. You know I'm always going 2%, 2%. This is where we're going 2%, because this is the part of the population that's actually mastering. They're mastering the success, right? Everything, it's all. It's not just about the finance, it's everything, it's the relationships, it's all of your health. All of these pieces coming together, that really leads you to that place and, like you, I always say I don't want to be at the end of that thing going man, I wish I'd have done that, could have done that. No, no, that's not cool.
Rodric:Exactly exactly. You know, we're just not taught to think that way. You know, it's not anybody's fault, it's not their fault that they think that way, you know. But it's up to people like us to raise that awareness. And you know I talk a lot in the book about once you go through a process like that. You can't unhear things, you can't unsee things and you're going to see the world in a different lens. And one of the hardest things and this might be a little off topic, but it's the people closest to you are the ones that hold you back. And that's why, having you know and I'm not preaching coaching, I only work with six clients at a time. I can't take anybody on if I wanted to, but I think everybody needs that outside lens because you the people closest to you. It's not because they don't love you.
Rodric:It's not because they don't want what's best for you, you know it's. They're afraid of being left behind. And when, when you have that worldview shift, there's contrast in that and people are scared. They're scared of losing their friends. They're scared of losing their family. They're you know it's just, it's human nature, yeah.
Jennifer:You gave me chills when you were saying that, because it is so true we talk about it. I don't know if I shared with you that I was in Mary Kay for 22 years, so I was in leadership and I had to do a lot of that overcoming the spouse not supporting the wife and the business mindset because it happens a lot. Right, and you are so right I've said this multiple times to people like once you start seeing things differently, you can't unlearn it, you can't unsee what you've seen and you have a different. You do absolutely have a different lens on life or an outlook on life altogether. And whereas you know, I tell people you know because I've been.
Jennifer:I've been in, I was in that industry for a very long time, but it wasn't until I had a nerve thing come up in 2012. Maybe kind of like your back thing. That sort of altered my life and it was a very, extremely debilitating condition. They call it a suicide disease because it's extremely painful, and so it really. It altered my life for four years and when I came out of that it was kind of like you know, I'm going to the doctors, nothing's working. So I went out on my own and started finding holistic doctors and researching and I ended up getting being able to get off all my medicine and put that into remission and I'm completely pain free for the most part from it.
Jennifer:But, it changed the way I looked at things and when I came out of that, then I started that's when I went in and actually got life coach certified and started looking at things because I was trying to figure out why was I still unhappy and why was I having success and not maintaining Like there was all these things that were going off in my head and I needed to put the pieces together, and so I started becoming basically a student of learning and started really doing the research. And you know, there wasn't one day that I woke up and I said, oh my gosh, everything's different. In the view of my eyes, it was this progression, right, this progression. So here we are, you know, 2023, and the people that meet me now think this is the way I've been. I'm like no, no.
Jennifer:I didn't grow up in a house where we were optimist. I didn't grow up in a house where people were encouraging us to do things. You know quite the opposite growing up and you know I had to really be like you and say I need things to be different in my life and I'm going to have to go do that work. But it is such a when you do the work it's so worth it.
Rodric:It's like anything, you get out what you put in. You know, and that's that's really my mission. You know, when I was fortunate to get to a spot where I don't really have to do anything, you know, and now I work more than I've ever worked before because it's it's a passion project on both sides of the equations, because I watch people go through the waves method and I watch that light bulb go off and you, you see that shift in their business and typically my clients are entrepreneurs that are a few years in and they say what did I do? Like, this isn't what I imagined. You know, they're not working on their business, they're working in their business, or vice versa.
Rodric:And I get to see it on the other side when we donate all the money and we get to send these kids abroad. So it's, it's just this. You get it from both ends and until you're on that giving end of it, you know it's that silly, it's better to give a present than receive a present, but it's, it's exactly true, right, like you get the chills every day watching people have these transformations, and especially with the kids, like it's just, you know, I couldn't be happier to be doing what I'm doing.
Jennifer:Yeah, no, I agree with you on that. So awesome. So traveling, this is a big thing for you. You've been all over the place. So when did this start for you? Like, tell us a little bit about how this sort of evolved for you.
Rodric:Yeah, so you know we partnered with EF tours, if you're familiar with EF. So they seven billion dollar company you know worldwide. They think middle school kids who go on trips to Europe and they do gap year stuff. They do other stuff as well.
Rodric:But when I was 13, 12, 13, my mom sent me on a trip with EF to Europe and we didn't grow up with any money. And I like to say that I was in the room with the rich kids and that's not meant to be derogatory at all, it's just these kids were probably going to go to Europe someday anyway, you know. So I was kind of the outcast in that group and mom spent money. She didn't have to send me on that trip and it that is what completely changed my worldview from there is no them, there's only us.
Rodric:You know, you see the disparity of a five star hotel and the poverty that is right outside and not to get off topic, but if you look at our history, you know it's the history of who were taught to hate at any given time. You can just pick that out through history. Now we're going to hit the English. Now we're going to hate the French. Now we're going to hit the Russians. Now we're going to get. And if you ask a group of people to raise their, hand if they know any of these people nobody knows any of these people.
Rodric:It's just who you're taught to hate. And I envision a world where could you imagine if everyone, when they were senior in high school and they graduate, they're forced to spend a year abroad volunteering Every worldwide. They have to go to another culture and volunteer for a year. Nobody would hate anybody. You just understand. We're all the same. We all want the same stuff.
Rodric:So that was my worldview shift when I was 13. I was able to go on that trip and that's why, ultimately, we partnered with EF for the foundation. So send a student leader abroad. Basically, a deserving kid can apply and it's a matching grant. And then we work with them and you'll love this. We work with them to raise the money, so mowing grass, delivering newspapers, selling candy bars, whatever it is but we meet with them every week and ultimately, if they only make five bucks, we're going to spend the rest of the money to send them on the trip. But it's in them understanding that there's a stranger out there that cares about me and they bring that back to their community. And then they go have this experience abroad and they bring that back to their community, and typically a community that they're not talking about that.
Rodric:So the impact that that multiplies it's exponential over time and that's why we designed this whole thing the way that we did, because it certainly inspired the love of travel for me and, like I said, I've been to 50 countries. By the end of this year it'll be 55. And next year COVID messed up Antarctica for me. So I was going to get my seventh continent by the time I was 40, which was a huge goal and didn't get to go. So hopefully this time next year I'll be doing an article. I have my seventh continent, but there's just nothing like travel to change the way you view the world. There's nothing like it.
Jennifer:Yeah, it's interesting that you bring that up too, because my oldest went on something that was probably kind of something like that. It was like an ambassador program, so when she was going from elementary to middle and it was like a group of parents that volunteered to go and they took a bunch of kids and she ended up going to Australia and so they did Basically, they traveled, they went to an Australian school to see how the kids go about their day and it was a really neat thing for her to be able to have that experience. And I agree with you. I think that. So much of not to get off topic about that, but the reason we do that is because we don't know what we don't know. It's funny because I feel like I have a client right now that I work with that lives in Spain. I've been working with her since before COVID, december of 2020. And I've been working with them.
Jennifer:It's so funny when I listen to these people talk, because I work with other people in different places and I listen to them and they have some of the same similar values that we have, some of the same ways they operate their business.
Jennifer:Right, they have different things that they have to navigate through. Like you know and she's living in Spain they don't have networking like they have in Dallas. I mean, we have networking every night of the week pretty much in Dallas, right, but they don't have that. But they still have the same drive to work hard, the same drive to build their business. It's the same drive for the passion for their families and all of this right, and we think of them as being different, you know, and they're really not. They're really not different than us, and so I love that you're kind of embracing that idea of this with these youth and I'm like with you. I think, yeah, if every student coming out had an opportunity to do that, it would be different, right, they would have to be forced to get out of this space that we're in and see something different and make them even aware what's going on around them.
Rodric:Right, it's good. I mean, how many people never leave 50 miles from their hometown, like it's a staggering percentage of people? Oh, a lot.
Jennifer:Yeah, yeah, there was a gal that came on here. I always have the. I remember all my guests. That's why I tell you all this. Like I remember bits of pieces of all my people. But had a girl come on here. She was the one of the stars on the show Castle for eight years, so I'm drawing a blank on her name, but the episode's out there. She was a star on there.
Jennifer:Anyway, she arranges travel in these other countries. She's like the person that finds the people and then she creates their entire travel. And that was one of the things we had talked about was why so much of you know in our culture we're so like in other countries. Like to give you an example, my girl in Spain. Like she's leaving at the end, I think, the 20th of August, and she's trying to decide do I want to go to India or Europe? She's from Russia living in Spain. She goes to. I mean, they go to. They just hop on the planes and they just go. And here we have to. It's a big thing. We have to think about it, right, like we got to plan it, think about it.
Jennifer:And one of the things she said is that it is harder because it is a little bit more distance to be able to do that. They a lot of those countries, are really close. They can. But I think it's also the way we are, our culture, the way we are taught to be. You know, we're proud of our country, which is great, but we're also sometimes not willing to always learn other things, and I think that's where people like you and I can have the opportunity to say hey, it's great to learn other things and be kind of worldly, because that's how you understand people. Right Is when you get to know other people.
Rodric:Absolutely nothing will teach you compassion and empathy Like just putting yourself in those positions, not necessarily people that might be underprivileged. It's not that, but it's. You don't speak the language. You need help. You need to figure out where you're going. You know there's what's the quote Like you wouldn't make fun of somebody with an accent if you could speak two languages too. It's like they're speaking your language. Of course you can't speak Spanish, you can't speak Russian, but you're making fun of them because they have an accent. You know it's like okay, you know it. Just it gives you just a completely different worldview. You can't get another way. It doesn't matter how many travel shows you watch, you can't get it until you actually go to the place. You know.
Jennifer:I for one like cool accents. I had a British guy on here, the other I've had a couple of British. I love their accents, I have fun talking to all of them. So and even my, even my girl that I coach in Spain, she's from Russia. When I first started working with her it was really it was kind of tough for me to understand her. We've been working together now I got her figured out like I got it all. Now we I'm getting that whole rush. I got a couple of friends here from Russia and Iran. So I'm getting all these these different dialects figured out and accents and stuff. So it's good stuff. So you got this, this project, the book, coming out. You said in September. Is that what you said?
Rodric:September 12th.
Jennifer:Yeah, september 12th. Awesome. Anything else on the horizon behind this? Or just going to continue? To continue the traveling, doing your project, your, your nonprofit, and yeah, there's.
Rodric:So there's a lot that goes along with the book. So the book comes out. At the same time there's an accompanying journal that comes out and you kind of tackle it from either way or both, and then there's courses that go along with it. They will teach you the ways, method. They're all self-paced, and then there's different levels of access to me and mastermind groups and accountability groups and everything that goes along with that. So just super excited about all that, and Especially now the early test readers are coming back where they're not part of my circle, they're kind of strangers. You know you're getting that feedback and it's just overwhelmingly positive. It's just Validation thing, right, because you watch it work one-on-one.
Rodric:You don't know if it's gonna work for somebody, it's just brand new into your circle. So that's all fun. And then We've got our podcast will be coming out in January, audiobook will be coming out in January and EF is planning a bunch of speaking for me. So I'm super excited about that. Okay, I do the 12th date speaking tour on behalf of EF, and then they invited me to their global summit. So just just super exciting stuff like it. Every day. I just get up, thrilled to be working. You know that's. 18 hours goes by and you do it again the next day.
Jennifer:It's just permanent vacation, you know yeah, well, if you end up speaking in dollars, you'll have to let me know so we can tread around up some people to Come out and see what you got going on.
Jennifer:I do want to ask you another question. I like to ask this every once in a while because you've said a lot of really good stuff in here and I feel like we sort of you know the great thing about what we do on these shows. I feel like we all sort of kind of say the same thing but it delivers a little bit, comes out a little bit differently and sometimes, you know, somebody needs to hear that message from that particular person. That's kind of how I feel about this, you know. But I want to ask kind of a personal question about you and just and you answered some of this but what would you say has been maybe the biggest Take away and all of this for you, like maybe the biggest learning, aside from the fact about the traveling and understanding other people, but maybe as it for you as a human being?
Rodric:The biggest learning throughout my life or in building this business.
Jennifer:I think you would, probably you can I say, in your journey. It could be your life, because this is all part of it. You know what your, your business is part of it.
Rodric:You know, I think the the overwhelming thing is and you don't recognize this as much until you start to put yourself out there in the public eye, and I'm sure you've experienced this but I think, overwhelmingly, people are good, you know, and I think that's not something that we're, you know, I don't know if was Einstein said you're, the biggest decision you'll make is if you live in a friendly or a hostile universe. You, like at a very young age, you're gonna decide are people out to get me or people trying to steal from me, or are people willing to help? And that's another thing that I think travel teaches you, you know, and the the younger you can learn that, the better off you are, because I think you're, you're more willing To ask for help from those around you and those that have already been on that path, and that's what we do, right, that's what you do as a coach. I mean it's you know, we've already done a lot of these things and we see it from a different perspective and we're here to help.
Rodric:You know it's certainly in my case, I don't even make any money like we donated all the foundation, you know. So it's. It's literally just about change and about changing people's perspectives and, in my niche anyway, for entrepreneurs that they may be considering going back to corporate. They may be thinking about scaling or not, or slowing it down, and they don't know what to do. They just feel stuck. So being able to give them a system that you watch a thousand light bulbs go off at one time and it's, it's just mesmerizing to watch. But I think that's it, you know, just understanding that we we really do live in a friendly universe overall.
Jennifer:I Would agree with you on that too, that that is good. I don't know that had anybody to say that, but you know what that is. So to me too, because I think we we are taught a lot of times to Be of the mindset I'm gonna get you before you get me, and a lot of that is shaped, I think, by our bat, like our past experiences, right, like things that we've witnessed and seen via our home, live school, you know, tv, all the things we get sort of in that mindset of I'm gonna get you before you get me, and so we, on most of time, think that people as a whole are bad, right, and like you, I feel the same way. I feel like most of people that I meet are really trying to do the right thing. They're not always good at it, but they're trying to do the right thing and they're trying to live by what they think is the right way to live right. And so thank you for sharing that. Yeah, good, all right.
Jennifer:So a fun question I want to ask you, and then I'm gonna let you tell us where to find all your good stuff. I want to know what is, like, the coolest place you've traveled like. What is that I you're probably gonna. We've traveled everywhere, so like, can you maybe give us one or two that has been like the coolest place, oh man, I mean, that's Machu Picchu was obviously really neat, but I've it's really hard to say, you know, like I've been everywhere.
Jennifer:Oh my gosh.
Rodric:Wobway, like you know, being on safari and wangi and watch lions come right past me, I mean there's there's so many, there's so many experiences. I'll tell you my my favorite place on earth is Thailand, you know, and it's Costa.
Jennifer:Rica is a close second.
Rodric:But like I feel like Costa Rica is kind of cliche now because everybody goes Costa Rica, I need to be more wild, more exotic right, but yeah. Yeah, so so many great experiences in so many different places.
Jennifer:I feel like somebody else told me Thailand too. I feel like I've heard that like more than once. So yeah, must be it. Must definitely be a place to check out.
Rodric:I will tell you this like in the time and the Thai people are, so they call it the land of smiles. Like the Thai people are the most friendly, wonderful people and it's incredibly cheap to travel and live there. And you know we usually go for a month at a time and, but I'll tell you this and I was having this conversation with somebody this morning.
Rodric:I've been around the world twice, like I've been around the world all the way the east. I've been around the world all the way the west and Very much the way I've built this business, in the way I've lived my life. You know, you heard me say with a big enough why, anyhow is possible. Right, I don't leave With knowing what my path is going to be. I know I'm. I want to be back home going in this direction Roughly two and a half months from now and I'll plan the first two weeks.
Rodric:That's it. I have no idea where the next place is. I'm gonna go. I have nothing booked, I have no excursions, I have nothing and you, I just let the trip come to me and very rarely do I miss out on opportunities of any kind. So it's just, or you know, if you're really enjoying places, you can stay. You know, and I think just again, I couldn't have told you six months ago that you and I would be on this podcast and this is what I would be doing for my business and I would have a book coming out of all these things. Just, it wasn't in the cards, I just knew I want to help people. How do I help the most people possible? I'm open, that's it.
Jennifer:Yeah, I love it. It's good stuff. It's good stuff and that's how it goes. I mean, you can't really know all the hows, right, you just know what you want to do, what your passion is and when you open the door to opportunity. I think it was like Jordan Peterson that talked about.
Jennifer:Like you know, I always say this like when you get so laser focused that you only have this one path, you miss all the opportunities that can come in on the side. So I always say well, you want to set those goals, you want to know what you know. Sometimes you want to know what you're doing right so you can get to meet a goal. But I also think you have to open. Be open to the things that can come in, because sometimes things come in that may be a little better than where you're at right now or they might lead you to something greater. So I'm all about leaving things open for opportunity, enjoying life. It's good stuff. I love what you're doing. So if our audience wants to get in touch with you, maybe they want to pick up this book when it comes out. Follow you, see what you're up to, see where you're traveling I don't know when do we want?
Rodric:to send them so super easy at million dollar flip flops on every channel and there's a. If you go to milliondollarflipflopscom, slash BTD, there's a bunch of extra goodies for just your audience, and the access code is also BTD on that website. Perfect.
Jennifer:Awesome, okay, well, great, this is cool. I'm going to go check it out now. I was on your site this morning. I was looking. I like all the, I like the layout of it. I was checking it out today to get some more information and see about this. This million dollar flip flops what's that going on here? So good stuff. Well, I'm grateful that you came on here today. Thank you for sharing your story and you're doing exciting stuff and, yeah, I love it. Thanks for making a difference, cause I think that's what we get. You know, that's what we get to do.
Rodric:Absolutely. Thanks for having me out. It's been a lot of fun.
Jennifer:Yeah, awesome, all right. And of course, we do want to say to our audience if you enjoy our show, go check us out on Apple, give us a rating over there, hit that subscribe button on YouTube so we can keep sharing all these incredible, amazing stories and talking about awesome people in the world. And with that, as I always say, in order to live the extraordinary, you must start, and every start begins with a decision. You guys, take care, be safe, be kind to one another. We will see you next time.
